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		<title>A case of transference: being too intelligent for this world</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 09:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>yseult</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[When flattery becomes an excuse and our responsibility in annoying people around us is transferred to the angered one&#8230; silence ensues. Sometimes we run headlong into these infuriating situations where someones careless incompetence, or neglicence, or pure boredom ends causing more work for us. If you are of the conviction that there is a right [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="linein">When flattery becomes an excuse and our responsibility in annoying people around us is transferred to the angered one&#8230; silence ensues.</p>
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<p>Sometimes we run headlong into these infuriating situations where someones careless incompetence, or neglicence, or pure boredom ends causing more work for us. If you are of the conviction that there is a right attitude to all things and that doing your job right, no matter how small and insignificant it might seem to you, can be a source of pride and satisfaction, then such situations probably tend to annoy you according to their corresponsing level of incompetence, negligence or boredom.</p>
<p>On several occasions I have been witness to an interesting explanation: <em>&#8220;Well, face it, love, you&#8217;re just way too good (intelligent, genius, efficient etc. etc.) for this job (function, work, us, them, etc. etc.). If only you would accept that, then you could spare yourself a lot of heartache (anger management lessons, chocolate-relieved-frustration induced pounds on your hips).&#8221;</em></p>
<p>The interesting element in this little (freely invented) scene isn&#8217;t so much what is being said, but what is not being said, as is often the case in any kind of human interaction. What is said is analysed easily enough: a transfer of fault is executed, away from the person causing the frustration, ot the person being frustrated. It&#8217;s a thing we often do (sometimes even without noticing it) in order to deal with emotions that are not our own.<br />
The problem however is, since they are not our emotions, we don&#8217;t have to deal with them. Leaving people to their own emotions is something that takes maturity, letting them have their little moment of weakness without feeling compelled to alleviate it by offering a string of solutions that would work for us (that&#8217;s what good advice is after all), or trying to reason away their source of frustration or even anger.<br />
Veiling that reasoning into a flattery or into positive words is only meant to pass the bitter pill easier. It&#8217;s another form of avoidance. And avoidance of emotions today is what people are so good at. It&#8217;s also the reason why there are so many problems of human interaction and social tensions in our western society today. So many resources are geared towards helping people to deal with their own emotions, but rarely are psychologist or therapist working on people&#8217;s skills to accept someone else&#8217;s emotions that they are faced with.<br />
Here we come to the second element of flattery&#8230; not only does it coat and disguise the act of transference of responsibility, but also it&#8217;s a pretty good excuse to not take a good look at other people&#8217;s (or our own) actions. It&#8217;s just another version of the apprentice stating that he can&#8217;t possibly do that job, because he&#8217;s just not intelligent enough. Or the on from your daughter (after breaking three dishes in as many weeks) that informs you that she can&#8217;t set the table anymore, she&#8217;ll only break something again.</p>
<p>However, manning/womanning up to your deficiencies, mistakes, our weaknesses and our incapacity to deal with certain people is an integral part of life and accepting them is also part of what usually is called &#8216;growing up&#8217;.</p>
<p>So, just as the stupid person has a right to their stupidity, the intelligent one has a right to be outraged by stupidity being used as an excuse for <a href="http://press.princeton.edu/titles/7929.html">bullshit</a>.</p>
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		<title>Fight the stalemate</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>yseult</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it hard to imagine anything scarier in real life (as opposed to zombies or other imaginary, otherworldly horrors such as clowns) than taking your own advice. Particularly when said advice comes from rational thought and ideals of the philosophical mind rather than experience. As with anything what we think is best in general [...]]]></description>
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<p>I find it hard to imagine anything scarier in real life (as opposed to zombies or other imaginary, otherworldly horrors such as clowns) than taking your own advice. Particularly when said advice comes from rational thought and ideals of the philosophical mind rather than experience. As with anything what we think is best in general is rarely what we end up doing. If we did, maybe things in this world would look a bit differently.</p>
<p>I did take my own advice. The one from the very last post in this blog. It explains the long silence between articles. I&#8217;ve made the change and it&#8217;s been quite the ride so far. And no, I haven&#8217;t had any regrets. And I truly doubt that they might still come.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve accepted a new job, in a new town, and with that chose two things completely out of my comfort zone: we moved to Zürich, and I chose to work in a field I only have marginal knowledge of.<br />
While for some that may be a step down from the career that I have built for myself, for me it&#8217;s a time out. A much needed moment of fresh air, new acquaintances, new things to learn, old things to see from a completely new perspective and finally a new level of knowledge about myself and waht I am actually able to achieve.</p>
<p>Changing life, be it radically or a little less drastic, isn&#8217;t something that can be achieved in a single decisions. Most of the times we are dependent on other people&#8217;s choices around us and on all these small things that make up set tapestry of life. But like the unravelling of your favourite winter sweater or the famous saying about the wings of a butterfly, all it takes is action at the right spot. Funnily enough, the writers of the Expanded Universe of Star Wars call the theory behind such a technique &#8220;shatter point&#8221;. And that&#8217;s just what it is. Every change is destructive in its very own way and not every consequence might have been anticipiated. Just as we hadn&#8217;t planned for a pregnancy to happen (probably) the same week I was offered my new job.</p>
<p>Stalemate in any situation, is the worst thing that can happen to us as human beings. While I wouldn&#8217;t disagree on the fact that we all need stability and a certain kind of constant organisation to be productive and all that goes with it, I would argue that this is not a stalemate. Not being able to progress towards the person you want to be or the life you want to have, because you don&#8217;t have the job that would allow for certain changes, not being able to change said job because you&#8217;ve chosen to be good in a field that is transformed into a desert of austerity&#8230; amounts to stalemate. A vicious circle where the increasing level of cynism and emotional stress is the only sign to mark the next level on your very own path to personal hell.<br />
Or not being able to do the changes you wish, because you can&#8217;t find either this guy, that girl or the right flat, the right car or once more the right job. Not because you don&#8217;t know what you want, but because ultimately you have no clue about the things you actually need.</p>
<p>Change in that respect becomes a question of life or death. Literally. Let the person you are die in that situation to become someone else that is changed by the situation or take charge of your needs and start shaping your life around them as opposed to the other way around.</p>
<p>Sure, one always gets by and there is no animal more gifted in finding creative ways to avoid making the hard choices and face change than humans. And even if we are quick to admit that we do live in a desert and that truly we should do things differently, we persist. We find excuses. We take our fears for granted.</p>
<p><a href="http://yseult.mediaevaliter.com/2010/03/15/make-the-change/" target="_self">And yet, all it takes is the first step. </a><br />
Courage to you all to find the strength and the infantile curiousness to take a single step. My prayers and thoughts are with you.</p>
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		<title>An act of volition: You can&#8217;t argue with fools</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>yseult</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Human Sciences, are not proper sciences, then where will we stop to devalue human thought and its history? Can you even argue with people who can only accept their own ground of discussion? Why the study of philosophy and thus thought, truly is the only science around. This week a rather interesting and revealing [...]]]></description>
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<p class="linein">If Human Sciences, are not proper sciences, then where will we stop to devalue human thought and its history? Can you even argue with people who can only accept their own ground of discussion? Why the study of philosophy and thus thought, truly is the only science around.</p>
<p>This week a rather interesting and revealing discussion broke out on my Twitter Feed. The initial kick-off was given by a list of ‘<a href="http://www.accreditedonlinecolleges.com/blog/2010/100-amazing-scientists-you-should-follow-on-twitter/" target="_blank">The best 100 scientific Twitterers</a>’ and a <a href="http://twitter.com/terrorzicke/top100sci" target="_blank">revised edition as a twitter list</a> published by <a href="http://twitter.com/terrorzicke" target="_blank">@terrorzicke</a> (Name ist Programm &#8211; her nick is program).<br />
As member of the Human Sciences, obviously, a friend of mine immediately asked why there were no philosophers (or Scientists in the Liberal Arts for that matter) to be found on her ‘scientific’ list. The crude and simple answer that she reinforced through the subsequent (heated) argumentation was, that Human Sciences are not sciences. (<a href="http://twitter.com/terrorzicke/status/9250594966" target="_blank">Best laughable tweet</a> out of that discussion: “Geisteswissenschaften kreisen im Gegensatz zu den Naturwissenschaften im Grunde um sich selbst.”  “Human Sciences revolve &#8211; to the contrary of natural sciences &#8211; only around themselves”)</p>
<p>I won’t go into the depths of that lion pit. It’s pretty much useless to try and reason with people who allow themselves opinions on things they clearly have no idea of. It would be more interesting to try and reason with a cup of coffee. At least, if there is no response, you get a decent shot of caffeine out of it.<br />
I’ll only put one thought out there and it’s one that becomes quite clear if you’ve ever interested yourself for neurological sciences.<br />
There are a lot of ‘natural’ things out there that we can study and analyse in many different ways. The purely materialistic, descriptive way, being one of them &#8211; the purely scientific way in the above cited way of thinking. The analysis of the language in which this is made however would already be a ‘human scientist’ way of looking at things.<br />
Without the ordering and the reflection of philosophy which goes beyond the raw material, all we would have is nothing more than a huge stack of information such as the colour red solicits a neuron fire with such and such intensity taking into account the context and situation. But how it is that we can reference that red, or what it means for a thing to <strong>be</strong> red (even though scientifically speaking the colour red doesn’t exist) which will then lead us to the problem of accidental properties as opposed to essential ones, the theory of individuation and personal identity and so forth… all these questions are philosophical ones and per the cited definition ‘not scientific’.</p>
<p>It is a common misconception that within the confines of Human Sciences anything goes. People from the outside think that we continuously weave our insignificant web of thoughts around a comfortable glass of wine and a good laugh within our own idiosyncratic language, pleasuring ourselves in our own brain juice.<br />
&#8216;Scientificity&#8217; realises itself within the confines of a method. If the method is faulty, no physicist can work. Neither can a philosopher or a linguist or a literate. Far away is the concept that ‘anything goes’. You might gain great popularity among a certain crowd by being without a method (Derrida for instance), but the fame is temporary. (Not one of Derrida’s direct students is still working with his thought. Parts of his method of deconstruction &#8211; which isn’t a method truly &#8211; but not the complete version and for the next generation of students Derrida will be a relic, not a school anymore.)</p>
<p>As someone who edits texts that have never before seen a printed edition, texts that remain unheard and inaccessible for the scientific community of Medievalists, I work with quantifiable method and scientific means such as distribution, probability, semantic quantities etc. to near myself as closely as ever possible to the original text which is most cases is lost. If you imagine that for the more popular texts you have between 30 and 50 surviving manuscripts and thus potentially 30 to 50 different versions of a text, it becomes immediately apparent why the claim that this can’t by any means be considered science is laughable. Not only do I have to go through that very materialistic part of my work, but after years of that exploring the material support of the text in question (it’s just the characters and the vellum really), I then proceed to the interpretation of the text itself, trying to explain what it’s all about. And only in a third last step do I examine that theory against the ‘bigger picture’ (does it make sense in itself? does it apply to opponents at the time it was written? what do we learn from it in terms of overall realisation? etc.)<br />
In my particular case, as Historians of Philosophy, we are the badly loved kid of all the departments. For the historians, we’re not really historians; for the philosophers, we’re not really philosophers and for the editors, we know way to much to gain quick money with us. Truth of the matter is: we are everything and nothing. We need to have all the instruments a historian needs, all the knowledge and methods a philosopher does and we need to have a decent technical approach to texts and their transmission through the ages. We do it all, and yet, nobody takes us seriously.<br />
So, it’s been long that I have taken anybody for full who claims that this is not science.</p>
<p>In some definitions ‘science’ is defined by the fact that you open up new grounds or that you create the basis for thought and study. It’s clear that with my work, I do just that. Without text editions, our look on a certain period will always remain limited, because the huge cellars of the major libraries of Europe are filled will texts that have never been read by a larger public after the 16th century.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough of course, none of those arguments which my friend made in said Twitter debate were accepted. Neither were mine. To the question why the person was ignoring me in particular, it was said that ‘who protects their tweets doesn’t want to be heart’.</p>
<p>Now, that brings me to another small truth, this time about our modern means of communication. Today, we’re always supposed to be online, always supposed to be linked to that behemoth internet, and if we don’t reply immediately to an email or a text, something is clearly wrong. And yes, if you are stupid enough to protect your privacy because you want to know who is following you, you do not want to be heard.<br />
Yes, I protect my updates, I also protect my Facebook profile, but because the majority of users have lost all sense of the truth that on the opposite side of them sits a real person in front of that PC screen.</p>
<p>The fact that Terrorzicke didn’t <strong>want</strong> to see what I had to say to her (it would have been easy enough for her to ask for authorisation, it takes one click after all), just shows what happens to people when they don’t want to be reasoned with: they become a caricature of themselves.</p>
<p>Protecting myself from complete exposure over the internet doesn’t mean that I don’t want to be heard, it rather tells you that when I accept you, I have properly seen you and want to enter into contact without. You’re not just another one of the mass that I don’t care about. And it will tell you that I don&#8217;t like to be spammed and have a pretty solid knowledge of spammers, useless twittbots and the like.</p>
<p>It becomes very apparent, that people who cannot even reconstruct an act of volition without error, cannot be asked to qualify what is scientific and what is not. And that is why this whole discussion is pointless. Who doesn’t want to hear, will never hear, not matter how loud we shout it.<br />
Human thought will always be an exhilarating subject of study, while the measures of &#8216;scientificity&#8217; will always be subject to the last and current fashion of the times in which they are uttered.</p>
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		<title>A Building Silence</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>yseult</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a silence that destroys you. That annihilates everything you stand for, everything you fought for, all the pains you&#8217;ve endured and that made you. This kind of silence is a rejection of everything that you are and you&#8217;ve been. It&#8217;s a weird thing that silence which is the absence of something &#8211; namely [...]]]></description>
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<p>There is a silence that destroys you. That annihilates everything you stand for, everything you fought for, all the pains you&#8217;ve endured and that made you. This kind of silence is a rejection of everything that you are and you&#8217;ve been. It&#8217;s a weird thing that silence which is the absence of something &#8211; namely talk, speech, exchange, connection etc. &#8211; can take on such violent forms. But there are situations in life where the things unsaid reveal much more about ourselves than the ones that we actually dare or care to voice.<br />
In this kind of silence there is no peace, there&#8217;s only conjecture, construction, frustration and ultimately loss. Without word, there can be no understanding.</p>
<p>But then there are those other kinds of silences and one in particular can build things so much greater than words or explanation ever could. Sometimes, the &#8220;denial of words&#8221;-silence might mutate &#8211; without any real interference &#8211; into this latter kind, we could call it new silence.<br />
It might take years or just a few hours. But ultimately that silence, that breaking of connection might spawn a new understanding. Thankfully enough as humans, we are able to forget and even the greatest horrors in life may lose their burning pain. They certainly leave their marks and they shape as much as anything else who we are and what we dream of, but with time, they&#8217;re shifted into the backgrounds of that huge scene of our consciousness. And one day we&#8217;ll wake up and our first thought isn&#8217;t that memory that broke our hearts, or that anger that made us forget all those important lessons of charity, forgiveness and love. We simply get over it. Over and beyond. Over and past it.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the precise moment where the destructive silence can take on another twist and force and turn into forgiveness. Slowly. But once we&#8217;ve achieved that, whatever deserved explanation or laying out suddenly doesn&#8217;t need anymore clarification and things just become what they are, what they were more precisely.</p>
<p>Sometimes, a silence is a chance. And usually, as with anything, it takes two. One to be silent and the other to accept it.</p>
<p>I myself have just overcome such a silence of several years where no words could overcome what needed to be processed. Where projected ideas about past and future were blocking the way and view of the truth and the facts. I&#8217;ve fought that silence, have hated it, have loathed the person subjecting me to it, because of their inability to see me, hear me and accept me. And that silence has broken my heart on many occasions because I was forced into it. Because there was no ear, no possibility, no heart to listen.</p>
<p>And then one day, I just moved on. Laid it down at the altar of all sacrifices and got on with life. Not truly thinking that such things could indeed be overcome. Not for me. Redemption was for others. Or rather I didn&#8217;t trust myself to really get over it. I thought that something would always remain of that unspeakable pain.<br />
Experiences and prayers later, suddenly there it was again, that thought that maybe, just maybe &#8230; or not? For years, it went on like that. Until one final day, the silence was no more. Without force or willing, but with a gentle turn of fates, suddenly the words flowed and whatever we thought needed saying suddenly had no power over us anymore.</p>
<p>Sometimes, a silence builds new things without us even noticing, without us even consciously working on doing it. Sometimes, those silences are bought with the pain of years past and sometimes what they build is a new house for our soul to live in.</p>
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		<title>Care and be cared for</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 20:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve already made a point for caring, to extend our own lowly existence wider into circles around us. But what about the other direction. It&#8217;s an old idea that everything in this world is realised in a split between object and subject. We are all subjects, thinking, feeling, breathing, crying and laughing our way through [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve already made a point for caring, to extend our own lowly existence wider into circles around us. But what about the other direction. It&#8217;s an old idea that everything in this world is realised in a split between object and subject. </p>
<p>We are all subjects, thinking, feeling, breathing, crying and laughing our way through our existence. But to everyone around us, we&#8217;re another object in a world that&#8217;s just getting fuller and fuller.<br />
Care for another and make him a subject of your affection. But what happens when you&#8217;re being cared for and made a true subject of someone&#8217;s affection, love and friendship?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possibly one of the hardest things to achieve: let yourself be cared for. </p>
<p>In times where we&#8217;re being tought to stand on our own two feet from a tender age, where being independent and self-sufficient, we&#8217;ve completely lost the notion of accepting anybody&#8217;s help. The idea that we need others in order to get better, be better, get more complete, be more complete has something revolting. Completely out of touch with the modern world and the idea that yes, man is an island and that every man can fight for themselves.</p>
<p>Accepting the care of others isn&#8217;t so much a dependency or a disguised profiteurism that only lets you consider others in their worth or what they can do for you. That&#8217;s just another way of being self sufficient and using anything and everything that you can for your own gain.<br />
No, what I&#8217;m driving at here is the fundamental truth of &#8216;seeing me through your eyes makes me fuller&#8217;. </p>
<p>As someone who had to very early on understand the terrible distance between me and the world and my own incapacity to &#8216;connect&#8217; or blend in, it&#8217;s been the biggest change in myself and my not-so-funny automatisms of auto-derogation to accept that there are people caring for me and that them doing something for me, caring for me helps me be better, fight less to be oh-so-awesome and by admitting to liking it, actually learn to care for others more. </p>
<p>Letting yourself be cared for by others, on their own terms instead of your own, can offer new perspectives. Accepting help, accepting their view of you, of your needs and their ways of meeting them, is not just about you, but about them as well and about what links you to the rest of the world. </p>
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		<title>Communication: The Sins of our Fathers</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are how we talk and we talk like our parents have or have not taught us. Would teaching dialectics and discussion in school help with the current non-culture of debate and argumentation? Prompted by the post on the communication style during the past US Presidential Elections, someone pointed out to me on plurk that [...]]]></description>
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<p class="linein">We are how we talk and we talk like our parents have or have not taught us. Would teaching dialectics and discussion in school help with the current non-culture of debate and argumentation?</p>
<p>Prompted by <a href="http://www.yseult.mediaevaliter.com/2008/11/08/lets-talk-about-it-or-not/">the post on the communication style</a> during the past US Presidential Elections, someone pointed out to me on plurk that they thought that communications, dialectics and the ethics of discourse should be taught in school to kids already and I gathered that for him that would mean a considerable improvement of certain things going wrong at this point in history when partisanship seems to be more important than the political, social et al. issue at hand.</p>
<p>I only half agree with that idea for one general reason: we talk like our parents. Or rather we discuss like our parents.</p>
<p>Let me explain this slightly exaggerated assertion. While I am all for teaching young adults the arts of talking properly, right and for effect on one hand and to analyse arguments and react to them on the other hand, I also believe that such a teaching is next to fruitless if it falls on unprepared ground.<br />
Aren&#8217;t we much more influenced by the discussion style and culture going on in our parent&#8217;s house while growing up than shaped by what the teacher tells us at say&#8230; the age 14?</p>
<p>It is a common and widely accepted ground rule today that our way of talking, expressing ourselves in normal circumstance is shaped by our social upbringing, the surroundings we&#8217;ve been exposed to at tender age and the all the other socio-historical stimuli we&#8217;ve been subjected to. It&#8217;s shaped by what we read, when we read it, what we hear and process and finally who we consider our idols and personal heroes. (I had and still have a huge sympathy for the Roman Senators and it has pushed me at an early age to learn the history and nature of rhetoric making me real pain in discussions&#8230; <img src='http://yseult.mediaevaliter.com/smilies/yahoo_wink.gif' alt='&#59;&#45;&#41;' class='wp-smiley' width='18' height='18' title='&#59;&#45;&#41;' /> )<br />
If that is the case for &#8216;normal style&#8217; communication, then it isn&#8217;t too far fetched to assume that the particular case of discursive discussion is just as influenced by our roots. As kids and adolescents we learn from what we see and if our parents have either a passive agressive discussion and confrontation style, or one that makes the roof blow off the house, as children we will either adopt that or refuse it completely depending our level of auto-evaluation and critical analysis of our actions.</p>
<p>The point I am trying to make here is simple really: an ethos is discussion and argumentation cannot be built by schooling and teaching alone, because these levels already assume a certain meta-level because they <strong>aim</strong> at teaching something. A good discussion style starts much earlier and parents are important in that process. The effect of an all-mighty father that can say &#8216;Yes, you&#8217;re right and making a good point there. I concede that I was wrong/hasty etc.&#8217; are immense on the psyché of a child that will learn that even though a parent is the measure of all things in their life, conceding to being wrong isn&#8217;t the end of the world. This in turn will at a later age tell them that riding an argument even though you know that it&#8217;s flawed is a bad thing and that it&#8217;s better to learn from others rather than stand on your own viewpoint against all odds and the wrath of the gods.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen people with a lot of kids being condescending with people who tried to have a decent discussion with them in the course of these Elections, who were deliberately mean and inflammatory and abrasive only to show how right they thought they were and it made me seriously worry about the example they give to their children, because I don&#8217;t believe that in their home environment they discuss differently than online. We are what we say and how we say it after all and if you don&#8217;t have a discussion ethos with the big topics, why would you have one in the most fundamental social cell, family?</p>
<p>Neither one of us has proof of the ultimate truth, if they did, the world would look differently and there wouldn&#8217;t be any need for discursive analysis and discussion or even so much as a teaching exchange. In such a utopian state of Eden, we all would know and thus wouldn&#8217;t need to exchange knowledge or different points of views. The second a person, locked in a discussion, assumes that they have the better point of view, the right way of looking at things, the respect clause has been violated and since at this point only condescension can be had from that person, the discussion dies a sudden death.<br />
Now people will continue on, trying to work with such a person, to make them see other contrasting arguments to their view, or even pull the mother of all arguments: personal experience. (A well known &#8216;trick&#8217; to try and bring emotion into the discussion and tone down the heat.) But with someone as fundamentally convinced as this, even that will be shot down.</p>
<p>There is no value to be had from such discussions. Not a social interactive value, not a personal one and certainly not a political one. All it serves is giving rhetorical bullies a box on which they can stand on their personal speaker&#8217;s corner. All that comes from it is insult.<br />
Kids that grow up under such communication circumstances are bound to have a &#8216;strike first&#8217; attitude in their discussion style and chances are such an attitude will also spill over into their general conflict resolution attitudes (hitting when no arguments are at hand etc.).</p>
<p>So, truly, as adults, we shape the future generation&#8217;s communication style as well as their ability to deal with information, process it and use it in discussion. A detail that often gets lost in the mayhem that can be child upbringing.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now that the US Presidentials are over, I can finally start thinking about blogging and writing again. Sounds like an odd thing to say, doesn&#8217;t it? Why would the US elections keep me as a European, a writer or a philosopher from blogging my mind? The answer is easily given. There are only two ways [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="linein"> Now that the US Presidentials are over, I can finally start thinking about blogging and writing again. </p>
<p>Sounds like an odd thing to say, doesn&#8217;t it? Why would the US elections keep me as a European, a writer or a philosopher from blogging my mind? The answer is easily given. There are only two ways to go about a topic that is so invasive in our everyday lives and has such a massive presence in the news: either you avoid talking about it completely, but then the avoidance will always show in your writing since it <strong>is</strong> what is on everyone&#8217;s mind after all OR you do write about it and open a can of worms that you cannot close again. </p>
<p>Of course I had an opinion on the votes and the elections, of course I have a personal stance and a professional one since I can rarely dissociate the one from the other. As someone trained in philosophy going about in the world, you can rarely <strong>not</strong> be influenced by the things and current topics around you and think about <a href="http://www.yseult.mediaevaliter.com/2008/07/22/do-it-like-the-philosopher/">them with your &#8216;philosophical&#8217; mind</a>. So, even if I wasn&#8217;t to talk about the elephant in the room, I would in a way by avoiding it meticulously. </p>
<p>So the main question remains: why not blog about it if it&#8217;s such an important issue of our time? </p>
<p>Because in the myriad of comments, opinions, partisanship battles, demeaning thought processes etc. my word doesn&#8217;t count for anything. Not amongst the friends that I live around, close contacts over the internet that I&#8217;ve come to consider my friends on certain levels, not among the people that share my faith or convictions or the people I respect. Because just as the media coverage enlightens our knowledge of the world (not to be confounded with actual knowledge, I&#8217;m just referring to factual knowledge), it also taints and escalates the dialogue. There is practically no informed discussion to be had about anything in this respect. Not about the kind of dog Obama&#8217;s kids will get or the colour of Palin&#8217;s breakfast cereal.<br />
I have in all honesty only seen ONE explame of a discussion that could be called constructive and instructive for both camps in all of over 2 years of following the whole circus called U.S. Presidential Election. </p>
<p>What a sad bottom line that makes. </p>
<p>And something I was not ready to expose myself to. There are only so many fall-outs with friends and family that you can get past and once certain things are being said&#8230; the going back is almost impossible. The Philosopher&#8217;s Attic isn&#8217;t about that. It&#8217;s about looking at the world in a different manner. It&#8217;s about getting a small spark of something else in your day and in mine. And that is what I&#8217;ll try to bring back now that this race is over. </p>
<p>A great weekend to all of you.</p>
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